(2026-07-02 19:46)Saki Wrote:  I intend to become an Anthropologist Scientist solely to study Alterhumanity as a phenomenon of the human mind; this fascinates me and has great scientific potential for study.

I can't wait for scientists to see Alterhumanity as something interesting enough to study, And that term interests me.

No need to wait! Anthropologists and psychologists are already studying us: we have a paper on non-human identification from someone with a masters in anthropology and a psychology doctoral dissertation about mental health in non-human identified individuals. That second paper is one I gave to my therapist after I told her about being therian and she found it very interesting.

There's more research papers linked in this research paper thread on Reddit. I could swear we have a similar thread with a collection of links on TG but the best I could find with some searching is WVZ's Guide for Professionals thread...

Anyway, good luck with your studies and apologies for going off-topic.

What I proposed during that meeting was a slightly more refined version of the previously proposed definition which does not necessarily try to include every form of alterhumanity, some forms of which I've learned are entirely unrelated. After more discussion and thought, this is what I arrived upon:



"Zoesthesia ('zo-esthesia') is the experience of sensations, perceptions, and behaviors subjectively interpreted as belonging to something incongruent to one's own biology. Interpretations and identities arising from these experiences are personal and diverse; zoesthesia can be present without interpretation, especially at early ages, but is often experienced as an embodied identity.

Individuals who experience zoesthesia have a wide spectrum of experiences, often leading to unique endeavors and forms of expression in social, artistic, literary, and professional contexts.

1. The experience of zoesthesia involves:

- Experiences (e.g sensations, perceptions, memories, behaviors, desires, social cues, states of consciousness, and/or involuntary urges) that are often subjectively interpreted as belonging to something other than one's own biological species,
- Experiences that may vary in form and intensity, remain at a stable baseline, or become triggered by internal or external stimuli,

2. And may include any number of the following:

- An identity or overarching sensation that embodies these experiences,
- An understanding that one still has a human body,
- Dysphoria regarding the incongruence between one's physical body and perceived embodied experience,
- Dreams or trance-like states that are experienced through the lens of something incongruent to one's biology,
- A strengthening or increased frequency of experiences after one becomes conscious of them,
- And/or a personal interpretation of these experiences as non-human through psychological or spiritual means."




Obviously, this could technically be considered as a refined definition of therianthropy or otherkin. So why did I create this? There are a number of problems I see within current definitions that jump out at me.

1. Therianthropy is often associated throughout the community with identity first, despite the fact that we know it's much more than that. There are many who have experiences they interpret as non-human but do not feel the pull to say "I identify as a _____." I feel it necessary to properly define what is "under the hood" of therianthropy in an empirical way.

2. According to Therian Guide, we don't just have "therianthropy." We have suntherian, contherian, non-shifting therian, standard therian, polytherian, cladotherian, shifting, aura shifting, bi-location shifting, phantom shifting, dream shifting, astral shifting, and a whole slew of other terms. From an outside observer looking in, this makes it look like a cult. Point #1.1 in the definition of zoesthesia eliminates the need for this obtuseness entirely, reducing the need to use seemingly woo-woo terms like aura shifting, astral shifting, bi-location shifting, and more. I don't believe that these extra terms need to be publicized as part of an official definition, but instead as a historic note. Obviously I can't advocate for the outright removal of these terms and microlabels from the community's lexicon (this likely isn't even possible), but this all looks wildly disorganized.

3. One thing that came up during our meeting was the fact both therianthropy and the original proposed definition of zoesthesia are largely based on one's interpretation of their experiences as non-human. There is an ache for feelings of legitimacy in the community. Many feel as if they don't shift or if they aren't "committed" enough to their identity, their experiences aren't real and they won't get to be a part of the club. There are those who want to put forth the idea that certain sensations, behaviors, or lack thereof are concrete proof that one is or isn't a particular animal. This itches as the incredibly human fear of social exclusion. Currently available definitions of things like therianthropy promote these attitudes by not emphasizing the fact that all of this is based on interpretation to begin with. This isn't an exact science and may never be. As much as one may desire for their experiences and identity to be perceived as legitimate by their peers, there is no empirical way to do this except to say that your experiences are valid because they're yours. Gatekeeping legitimacy turns the therian community into a kind of cult that encourages members to preen their experiences and limit themselves. This is not a positive direction.

4. The younger alterhuman community is the only one I can think of that coins new terms every week to describe their own flavor of experiences. I feel that there must be some deeper commonalities that people are trying to get at. I believe that this refinement may alleviate some of those efforts.

5. I also believe that potential authority figures such as Therian Guide, as well as general members of the community at large, have a responsibility to avoid the promotion of magical thinking. By not educating people about the fact that the "non-human animal experience" is an interpretation of one's experiences as "non-human" rather than an undeniable fact of existence clearly within the definition of therianthropy, magical thinking is encouraged. Anything and everything can become a cult when this responsibility is ignored. I bring this to everyone's attention out of concern more than anything. I was raised in a cult, which Bagera herself rescued me from and helped me process. I can only hope that this responsibility is understood, for the sake of the integrity of the community.

I am requesting that this proposal (in this particular post) be considered and debated amongst yourselves so that a decision can be made regarding how to proceed. I believe the threat I described in #3 is very real, and I think it is damaging to the community as a whole. While many in the community may be more spiritually minded, I think it behooves everyone to approach these topics with a dose of neutrality and empiricism.

Zoesthesia It basically has the same meaning as Therianthropy, however, I found it incredible.

I've said several times that I'm in favor of creating new terms if they explain someone's feelings, And this one sparked my interest because it has a 'scientific perspective' on the matter.

I intend to become an Anthropologist Scientist solely to study Alterhumanity as a phenomenon of the human mind; this fascinates me and has great scientific potential for study.

I can't wait for scientists to see Alterhumanity as something interesting enough to study, And that term interests me.

(I saw the small discussion involving the Chinese community, and really, each community has to deal with its own problems in its own way; after all, they are the ones who know the situation best. But regardless of that, I found it to be a good term suggestion that deserves more polishing. )

It's possible I received misinformation (or poorly translated information) from others in the Chinese therian community. I was not aware of some of the points you've brought up, Chase. I don't intend to pursue this further.

I spoke to a researcher about the whole zoesthesia idea face-to-face yesterday. They felt that it could potentially be useful as a term in that in emphasizes experience over identity, but is unlikely to remedy any of the social issues mentioned. Some (including myself) have compared it to synesthesia, but even though something like synesthesia isn't really targeted by bad actors, the nature of therianthropy would likely remain an issue with people threatened by nonconformity no matter what you call it.

Another therian brought up in private that "cenesthesia" already exists - typically in regards to cenesthopathy in medical literature when referring to a disruption in one's perception of themselves in things like clinical lycanthropy. And in such medical literature, cenesthopathy is specifically avoided when describing what therians and otherkin experience. I think that's for the best.

Wooooooaahhhggggg, well, for me at least, Microlabels are fun and almost down to the point on certain experience, but as far as finding people similar and feeling validated it may be hard. My experience especially when trying to explain to multiple people the term 'genderfaun' (Genderfluid but not ever Female/Femme). Therian wise, i have an entire document in a pack doc i use to communicate w/ my pack that explains microlabels and the more 'umbrela terms'. Its alot to be simple about it.

Ok thank you.

(2026-06-20 23:09)aspen-woof Wrote:  I would rather my Hidden was referred to as Hidden.
Not a god, not a force, not a being, not an entity - just Hidden.
It’s my theory, my opinion and I refer to them as the Hidden.

Heyaa.
I know this thread is better left said and done, but I was just wondering? What does it mean for you to have a theory?
If it only exists for you, can it still count as a theory? Putting it out there is amazing, but is this just a thought that stands true for yourself only? If it is meant to only work for yourself, then I can understand why you phrase it so defensively witb 'my' Hidden. When others ask you these questions, they don't mean it as an attack necessarily, but rather a 'stress testing' of how far you've thought out your theory and where gaps exist, something that happens to every theory around.
So I definitely consider this quite an interesting thought, but as you may have noticed, and as others have already mentioned, a theory that counts for a greater majority takes a lot of thought and consideration of all the currently existing gaps. Take this theory and these responses and integrate and update your theory, or let it be, and shut your doors to further development.

Just a little advice
Greenleaf

Ok, I will try to do that.

If you haven't started a journal here, you could do so and use it as a space to formulate your thoughts if it would help? Unless you specify no replies in your journal, people would have the option to weigh in but would be less likely to, so you could use it as a space to explore some of your thoughts on what makes sense for your therianthropy, and as a bonus, would have record of it over time so you could see how it develops.