As Ouch said, humans are variable. I can't bring myself to hate the entire species because I am fond of many. I also enjoy the quiet, humble parts of existing as a human. Human connection, empathy, art, singing, gardening, etc. Though I completely understand the perspective, humanity has caused a lot of harm.

I understand why individuals who are misanthropes and separate humans from animals may lean towards therianthropy as an identity. It's an explanation for why humanity is so unappealing to them. But I do not believe it directly causes therianthropy, just points some in the right direction if the identity is there, as you said. Not all misanthropes experience therianthropy.

I also have a slightly different perspective than many folks here when it comes to humans and animals. I do not separate humans from animals, but I do see humans as having a spectrum when it comes to connection with the rest of life on Earth. I still use the words "animality" and "animal" to refer to my nonhuman identity because they seem to be the most accurate words in this language to describe my experience.

In my mind, humans and other species on Earth are more similar than many realize. This doesn't mean that humans are the same as a bear, though. They are still different, just like an eagle is different than a cat. I still identify as a wolverine. I just see humans and all inhabitants of Earth differently than the typical Western perspective of "people" versus "the wild."

This might contribute to my lack of misanthropy.

This is a very interesting question! I know lots of therians have had issues with humans so I'd love to see more discussion about it.

As for me, I would say I am the opposite of a misathrope, and I attribute it to my angelhood. I find humans to be cute and I want to help and care for them. Even when they hurt me I cannot hold a grudge against them, much like how you can't hold a grudge if your cat scratches you. They don't know what they are doing.

In terms of my mountain lion half, I'm neutral towards humans. I do my thing and they do theirs.

As a whole I also disagree with misanthropy as a concept because humans are such a varied species. There exist no behaviors that are exclusive to humans and also practiced by every human. If you travel to the other side of the planet, the humans on that side think entirely different from the ones on the other. I cannot hate humanity as a whole, just specific things that some humans do.

I would say that I am a misanthrope. I disagree with the fundamental process that humans use to obtain their moral standards. I think that stems more from me valuing objectivity over feelings though. I don't like many of the actions that intelligent species take. It isn't exactly specific to humans for me. I don't think that it caused my therianthropy and I don't think my therianthropy caused it, although I will admit that seeing myself as separate from humanity makes this an easier viewpoint to hold. I think that if any correlation exists, it's probably that therianthropy causes misanthropy over the other way around. That's just my theory though.

Fellow misanthrope here!

I wouldn’t say that my misanthropy caused my otherkinity, since it was kind of the other way around. When I realized I was nonhuman, it made me look at humans in an entirely different light. I thought about all the ways that humans have hurt me, have hurt anybody who’s even slightly different from them, have destroyed their own planet, have forever altered the future of this Earth for the short time period they’ve been on it, have done such insensitive and straight up sadistic things to others and justified it by pointing out how different they were...and other humans tend to agree with them. It’s disgusting, and it made me go from “am I really nonhuman?” to “I’m so glad that I’m not one of them”

Honestly, comparing animals to humans is like day and night, and I feel that that may be a deciding factor in therianthropy. An animal doesn’t make you feel alien for being the way you are, an animal doesn’t make it their life goal to make your existence a living hell just because you’re different, an animal doesn’t care about your skin color or sexuality or interests or fashion...an animal just cares about living their own life to the fullest. That’s why an animal doesn’t wish to harm you unless it’s own life is on the line.

I’ve always agreed with the lifestyle of animals a lot more than humans in that aspect. I wish it was more accepted to just be happy that you’re alive and breathing air and still able to see the beauty of nature around you...but humans just don’t think that way. They’d rather indulge in pleasures that end up hurting them in the end...slowly forgetting that nature exists and throwing trash on top of it.

I just can’t bring myself to forgive the human race, and I can never, ever say that I’m one of them. They’ve made it very clear to me that I’m not one of them. If they wish to destroy their own lives, then so be it. It’s not my problem.

This is interesting!

I agree there's definitely a correlation between therianthropy and misanthropy, and there could be some kind of causation for it.

My question is: does misanthropy (help) cause therianthropy, or does therianthropy just cause misanthropy? There are two very interesting ways to look at this correlation. On one paw, someone could distance themselves from a human identity and begin looking into other terms BECAUSE they hate humans. On the other paw, someone might hate humans because they don't feel like they are one/have an outsiders perspective on humanity while still very exposed to it.

Indeeeddd.. I'm pretty known for my dislike of humanity, though I've softened on it over the years. Still, this has always been an aspect of how I few things; I have a certain "us vs them" mentality, and I don't mind admitting that. It's historically common for yokai anyway..

As for whether it causes or has an interplay with therianthropy..perhaps. You mix together misanthropy with a few psychological traits and environmental factors and you might get someone with an internal need to contextualize themselves as an animal.

However, I think there being an interplay with therianthropy would be a more universally applicable experience.. Any wolf therian who has come across photos of hunters posing with our bodies strung up for their amusement probably knows what it's like to feel a certain disdain for humanity.

It's the callousness and amusement at suffering aspect of it..and that seems to extend into so many other aspects of human society and their interaction with the natural world. Everything is for the amusement and aggrandizement of someone, and nothing for the whole; not for nature, or the well-being of the group..it's all just about one trying to climb over the others to get to the top of a pile made of their own bodies, in a world littered with ours.

I don't think it would so much be causative of therianthropy, so much as I think it would make one more likely to embrace it more heavily when discovered, which is what happened with me..

As for whether it's the same thing as copinglink: No, not if they believe they're actually an animal; a copinglink doesn't actually believe they're an animal, they just feel a need to contextualize themselves as one to distance from their distress.

(I think it's alright to leave this thread here since it could apply to origination, psychological, or spiritual discussions.)

Hiya! Before I go into this topic and my theory, I’ll define misanthropy for anyone who dosent know. It’s important to note that misanthropy is NOT an alterhuman identity or even close, you can be a misanthrope without being alterhuman and vice versa. I have seen topics of human nature and modern morals been discussed on TG, but not with specific references to misanthropy, hence this post. If I am, however, copy posting by accident please lmk!

Misanthropy (misanthrope, misanthropic etc.) “hatred, dislike or distrust of humankind” usually morally or psychologically. “The systematic condemnation of the moral character of humankind as it has come to be” generally speaking, it’s a hatred of modern humanity or morals, not just towards animals but in general, this debate can sometimes encase politics, but it’s not relevant to this discussion nor is it allowed on the forums so no discussion regarding politics in misanthropy please! Pretty much any other relevant topic or discussion regarding it (misanthropy) goes tho!

So, with that in mind, why do I think that misanthropy may drive therianthropy?

Well, firstly as I have learned from talking to a lot of members of the TG forums, a lot of us (me included) feel like we don’t ’fit In’ or conform to modern human standards, such as the possession of social media, or mainstream ideas. Therians are, as far as I’ve seen from here, a very diverse bunch of critters who oftentimes aren’t considered ‘normal’. A lot of u guys have mentioned not liking humanity, or technology also. And so we return to misanthropy. I consider myself a misanthrope. I have a great distaste for human morals or understanding, and don’t agree with a lot of common human principles. Some examples of this could be my disagreement with human treatments of technology or their assumptions of a lack of conscious in other creatures, and therefore their brutalistic ideas of “if it dosent think it dosent care if we kill it”, I see this a lot with treatment towards wild animals, especially bugs or other ‘pests’. Personally, I disagree with the idea or principle of humans being above any other living creature, and greatly resent human arrogance and naïveté of the natural order. This thoughts could be because of my autism or trauma, However, I do think it aided my therianthropy. And here’s my theory! I am a misanthrope due to trauma and just how I perceive the world, in a similar way to how animalistic tendencies may drive therianthropy to develop. I think that the prevalence of misanthropy in ppl may make therianthropy more likely to develop as a hatred or dislike of humanity usually has to drive them towards some OTHER moral standing. For many, this is that of animals or nature. This could in turn spark behaviours and develop or awaken therianthropy already present in individuals, or present in other identities such as otherhearted, as one draws further from liking humanity usually morals it understand and relate to and kinship with creatures outside of human standards. For me, as a younger kid my lack of understanding of humanity drove me to be closer to animals, heightening previous behaviours and identities within me. That is NOT to say that misanthropy cause’s therianthropy, or that the 2 necessary correlate at all, just that I think that a hatred of humanity makes someone more likely or present animal behaviours or identities through relation. Furthermore, would this be counted as copinglink since the misanthropy stems often from trauma or other issues?

Just to clarify, there are many reasons why I , or anyone else for that matter, am a Therian. My distaste for humans may have helped behaviours develop but it is not the ROOT CAUSE of my therianthropy. Honestly at the end of the day, I’m just curious to see whether others think misanthropy drives to animality and therefore alterhumans in any aspect? Is anyone else here a misanthrope and how has it shaped you? How does this affect spiritual theirans?

TLDR: me hating humans may have helped me to display or discover or develop therianthropy via alienation from human morals. I’m wondering if this is the case for anyone else.

(Should this belong in another forum?)

I do apologise if my wording or word order seems weird or clunky, I struggle to put these things into words. I’ll develop this more in another post if it gathers interest/ if I have time around exams.

Thanks for reading!
Cya,
Rain

This is a fun idea. I've seen some people do this kinda thing in VR chat as well.

Decided it would be cool to stream some things on occasion. There isn't really a set time or date where I can set a weekly stream, except in the middle of the day tuesdays. So for that reason, I'll probably announce it and stream it and if anyone can come they can come.
I'll make a list of things I want to stream based on topic.
Also, I currently haven't figured out how to stream movies but I'll still make a list in case I do.
Movies

• The Bad Guys
• Fantastic Mr. Fox
• Isle of Dog
• Zootopia
• Fox and the Hound
  

• A Fox's Tale: Survival in the Alpine Wild | Free Documentary Nature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVNo_h3leNc)
• Wildlife in Unexpected Places - Foxes in Urban Environments | Full Documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_KZHSZUIvI)
• The Secret Life of Fox - Wildlife Wars (Nat Geo) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utvVUNrn5X8)
• Nature's Smart Hunter: The Unique World of Foxes | Wild Ones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdNni4WweJ4)
• Wild America | S10 E4 'Family of Foxes' | Full Episode | FANGS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4q2X8Rch98)
  

• Fox Fires - Animated Short Film by Keilidh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN5goxeTfjc)
  more TBA
  
  Werewolf documentaries
  More TBA
  
  Feel free to comment more to be added, prefereably youtube as its easiest to stream over discord

This is a wonderful thread! It has great information but also speaks to the level of care for the safety of us.