I think it's a lot of fun, and I can see why some people doing quadrobics would want to post videos of them doing it. It feels good to share your skills online, but I do not like the amount of misinformation that comes with it. I've been keeping an eye on therian tik tok lately, to see if it's improving, and I think it has. Where it used to be 80% of what was on there, now it's only like 30%. These aren't real numbers just estimates, but I think it's improved a lot. Some of the stuff on there is kind of cringey, and misinformative, but that's only a little bit. Basically, I see where the little kids are coming from, just, they should do more research before calling themselves therians.

I don't understand how quadrobics got associated with therianthropy -- it wasn't historically part of it and only seems to have arisen in the last decade or so. On TikTok it appears to be the primary aspect of the community there, which is quite baffling to me.

I find it fun, but I don't like the whole "Quads make you a therian" thing that's been going on. I also don't feel any need to post any videos of me doing it, it's sort of a weird thing to become a trend XP

For me, connecting with others helps me to feel more safe and comfortable, really.

Personally I believe that while quadrobics is a nice excersize and all, it's a little bit overrated.
I don't blame the younger quadrobicsts and therians for getting the two confused and mixed up, although it can get very tiring. A lot of these people WANT to be therians; so they will try to find information on why "quadrobics makes you a therian" etc, children are spreading misinformation. This is just what I have seen, though.
-As well as the misinformation, the quadrobics trend has made many people find out about our therianthrophic experiences, and as many people are there educating them, in return a select few have found out about their therianthropy as well.
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-Personally I really like quadrobics, but I think it's a bit overrated in the therian community. Just my opinions though, I still do occasionally and it's a great sport to do-!

(2022-10-23 17:58)Pushy zver Wrote:  yous exaggerate the importance of the community.

@WolfThing and you Pushy: Please calm your emotions. Take 30 minutes and come back to it with a cool head. I have archived your argument.

I think people often misunderstand Pushy (myself included), because he says things that seem to be meaningless or obvious, etc. He's just stating his opinion on the topic and if it doesn't mean anything to you, you can safely ignore it.

In this case the context of his words is that in the Russian therian community, the importance of the community itself is much less pronounced than in the west. In effect, they call our brand of Therianthropy a subculture / fan club, kinda like the furry community.

I have considered both perspectives and it seems somewhat reasonable, because the core of therianthropy is in fact the therian experience itself and the culture of it (therian gear, packs and activities like quadrobics) shouldn't play a role. I think there is something to be gained from mutual understanding here.

LP,
Dusty

yous exaggerate the importance of the community.
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and lash out at participants whose opinion does not coincide with yours.
which also doesn't fit the definition of "community".

@Taguel

I think your perspective is important and I'd like to see you stick around. I find that empathy is a limited resource which consumes energy and people only have so much of it. This is something I struggle with a lot as a trait of my dead "kintype." It's easier for wolves to empathize with other wolves than with rabbits. I understand your feelings of alienation and I'm sorry you feel your perspective is not taken seriously. There are some things that have upset me about people's attitudes at times too.

On the other hand, for a very empathetic person it can be hard to set boundaries and it becomes very draining. That could put you on the defensive because you feel exhausted already. I get this defensiveness of being more easily irritated and shutting people out to conserve energy. It might help you feel better if you consider whether there are things in your personal life where you could establish better boundaries.

I hear your points and while I do not agree with them, I respect your right to share them. I do not think we are going to see eye to eye on this matter. If you would like to discuss ways that the community can be more comfortable for prey/herbivore types, please let me know. Otherwise, I believe we will have to agree to disagree on this point. I don't think there is more that can be said that will not devolve this conversation into an argument because, personally, I feel angry and upset, so I am going to step out and allow the thread to continue as it was intended.

(2022-10-23 17:13)Taguel Wrote:  

(2022-10-23 16:19)WolfThing Wrote:  The fact that you commented on a post about why the community is important to you, then state that it isn't important to you, frankly proves that is is important to you...don't you think? I stuggle to understand bringing drama to a thread like this, but it does make me smile seeing you contradict yourself. Because you want to see a change you feel is important. I'm glad because that means some kinda way you care.

I was not attempting to bring drama into this thread. I was trying to make my voice heard because I have stated on many occasions that I don't feel like my voice is heard. If you are interpreting it as me attempting drama, then I will need to rethink my words and perceived tone of my post. I think it would be wise for your to rethink your tone as well because your reply comes off as very patronizing and condescending. The way you are talking to me is pretty much a text book example of why I feel like I don't belong here. You are talking to me like I am naïve and ignorant and I am not sure why. I understand that tone is often misconstrued over text though.

Quote:What will YOU do to see the changes you wish? If you continue to openly share your arguments, experiences and perspectives without being swayed by opposition you may receive the community as a whole can eventually understand better, and as a result change. But sitting and judging the way predator type therians nmay naturally exist does nothing for that change.

What do you suggest I do? If I share my opinion and viewpoint, I get replies like this telling me that I am wrong and trying to act as though the other person knows my thoughts and feelings more than I do. After a while, you start to learn that people either don't value your opinion or they think they know better and talk over you and tell you you're wrong. I don't feel the need to fight with people online over whether or not my viewpoints about my experience are correct.

Your response was basically a perfect example of why I have retreated greatly from this community. You listened to nothing I said and instead tried to act like you knew better than I do and basically put a majority of the blame on my shoulders for not wanting to interact with people who don't listen to me, talk over me, and clearly do not take me or my thoughts seriously because they think they know better.

Maybe it is a trait of being a prey kin-type, but I keep getting negative reactions and outcomes to my attempts to socialize with carnivores, I am just going to avoid them. The therian community is important to you, but in your words, what will YOU do to make it welcoming and safe to ALL therians, not just wolves and carnivores? To me, a prey type surrounded by predators, the therian community is almost completely tailored and suited for predator types. Even the language that is used is carnivore focused (howls, packs, etc.).

I respect that the therian community is important to you and I am happy it is. At the same time, making a thread like this opens the field up for people who have a differing opinion than you to enter the conversation. If that is not your intention, then you are looking only to communicate with people who share your viewpoint and then we are circling right back to my original statement of how I do not feel heard or have respected viewpoints.

I have no problems with your differing opinions. I pointed out your clear contradictions. You say you don't care about the community and then go on to comment and say you would like to see changes in it. Is that not what took place? I said nothing that did not happen. As for everything else I can recognize that my directness can come off a certain way and do try to mitigate that, but I have also spent too much off my life under the thumb of people who sort of put people down for having certain levels of confidence.

Or being rough around the edges due to their experiences in life. They throw words like empathy around and feign as if they always have moral high ground over everyone else, they act as if their stuff doesn't stink.

At no point did I say you were wrong about anything. Where did I? I simply stated it sounds contradictory to make a comment that you don't care, but take actions as if you do care. Even now you say you don't feel the need to argue your view points, yet you are. And the hypocrisy of pointing out something you don't like, but then saying you will do nothing about it is nothing more than drama starting. It offers no solution just you pointing fingers.

So now I do not hold my own tongue or sugar coat my thoughts or passion.