Looking on the internet, asking around, being curious overrall.

Then again, curiosity killed the cat, and I am a cat of sorts.

Oops.

For me reaserch is either reading books or articles about Black Panthers or cats.I also go to the local zoo and reconnect with the feline species that I identify with watching them interact with other or seeing them play around is really fun.

(2021-08-19 3:42)GreatLakesWolf Wrote:  

Tdae Wrote:awhile back I posted a topic I called "somatic stuff." I was talking about something that is conceptually similar to p-shifting, except real and medically documented. Apparently it's something therians rarely experience and there wasn't much interest in the topic though.

Do you mind elaborating on this? I don't see how something real can be similar to p-shifting, just because it seems so impossible.

I hope I don't get into trouble for misleading language or derailing the topic here, so to be clear I'm not talking about fantasy shape shifting but physiological changes in DID patients. There have been a handful of therians who have mentioned unusual physiologic stuff related to therianthropy too. But there wasn't much interest in the topic anyway. I put it in the adult section because I'm not sure if it's appropriate for younger people. Here is the topic I posted.

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Quote:Physiological differences among alternate identities. Case reports and studies using small groups of DID patients and controls who simulate different “alternate identities” have found significant physiologic differences in DID patients compared to controls that manifest in a variety of behavioral ways. These include differences in visual acuity, medication responses, allergies, plasma glucose levels in diabetic patients, heart rate, blood pressure readings, galvanic skin response, muscle tension, laterality, immune function, electroencephalography and evoked potential patterns, functional magnetic resonance imaging activation, and brain activation and regional blood flow using single photon emission computed tomography and positron emission tomography among others (Loewenstein & Putnam, 2004; Putnam, 1984, 1991b; Reinders et al., 2006; ¸Sar, Ünal, Kiziltan, Kundakci, & Öztürk, 2001; Vermetten, Schmal, Lindner, Loewenstein, & Bremner, 2006). Overall, DID patients as a group show greater physiological variability between their identities compared to simulated identities in controls, rather than the kinds of reproducible differences found between different individuals.

Quote:In 2015, doctors in Germany reported the extraordinary case of a woman who suffered from what has traditionally been called “multiple personality disorder” and today is known as “dissociative identity disorder” (DID). The woman exhibited a variety of dissociated personalities (“alters”), some of which claimed to be blind. Using EEGs, the doctors were able to ascertain that the brain activity normally associated with sight wasn’t present while a blind alter was in control of the woman’s body, even though her eyes were open. Remarkably, when a sighted alter assumed control, the usual brain activity returned.

The sources were from the ISSTD website and Scientific American magazine if I remember right.

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awhile back I posted a topic I called "somatic stuff." I was talking about something that is conceptually similar to p-shifting, except real and medically documented. Apparently it's something therians rarely experience and there wasn't much interest in the topic though.
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Do you mind elaborating on this? I don't see how something real can be similar to p-shifting, just because it seems so impossible.

(2021-08-18 14:15)Kyra Wrote:  

(2021-08-18 0:21)Tdae Wrote:  "Multiple versions of you" sounds like a description of OSDD-1a.

I find it strange that you compare having multiple dimensional versions of yourself as having OSDD because obviously, this is a case of multiple physical versions of yourself, not only mental. Unless you meant it as a joke of course.

The fun part about the theory is that because you cannot prove it right or wrong, it IS a possibility, and so it's not even a belief per se.

Of course I wasn't kidding. I was suggesting the perception of multiple versions of you can be better explained by psychology than cosmology and that it is described in the field of psychology. It needn't even be in the context of a disorder but for whatever reason the brain "decided" to make multiple instances of you.

This might be a bit of a stretch about multiple physical versions, but awhile back I posted a topic I called "somatic stuff." I was talking about something that is conceptually similar to p-shifting, except real and medically documented. Apparently it's something therians rarely experience and there wasn't much interest in the topic though.

Truthfully the mathematics to explain why multiverse is possible, that is so far beyond my comprehension. I prefer to muse over the nature of consciousness and the possibility of non-duality.

In a similar vein... I have considered the possibility that I really did encounter an actual wolf ghost and it wasn't just something my mind fabricated. In that case the multiverse explanation would kind of fit as a "different version of me" being a wolf existing in the early 20th century.

(2021-08-18 0:21)Tdae Wrote:  "Multiple versions of you" sounds like a description of OSDD-1a.

I find it strange that you compare having multiple dimensional versions of yourself as having OSDD because obviously, this is a case of multiple physical versions of yourself, not only mental. Unless you meant it as a joke of course.

The fun part about the theory is that because you cannot prove it right or wrong, it IS a possibility, and so it's not even a belief per se.

(2021-08-18 6:17)kaiyoht Wrote:  An interesting thought occurs to me, though; whatever force that connects one to another universe, does it necessarily have to be connecting to the same time in another universe? If that connection isn't strictly bound to one time across the universes (or universes aren't exactly aligned in time, or what have you), then it seems like that could also relate to things like past-life experiences in the same way people generally mean when they bring those up -- it's just the same sort of connection to a time-shifted version of the same universe.

Yes, I believe the same thing. Literally anything about therianthropy is possible with this theory really. It also indicates that one can have a specific connection to an animal but not to the point that it becomes an identity. Because there are endless versions of yourself. It also explains cameo-shifts for example.

I mean, technically, you can measure time with a ruler! You just need an additional something that travels at a known velocity. Light, for example, travels a foot in about a nanosecond, so if you could track when a photon passes the front and then the back of a ruler, you'd know a nanosecond had passed. (In practice, this is more or less how a meter is defined -- the amount of distance light travels in a vacuum in whatever amount of time -- but the fun thing about this sort of experiment is that it works in both directions, depending on whether you're assuming you already have a definition for time or distance first). And of course, for a while, seconds were defined in terms of how long an average day was, so sundials still have importance in terms of the history of how we measure things, even if they're a bit imprecise! This is less a useful tangent and more just a Neat Science Thing. It just turns out that a lot of the things we measure physically are interrelated in bizarre and fascinating ways!

I definitely always liked stories and such that featured multiverses. I mean, usually those stories would just be relatively straightforward things like, well, if we branch out here we see what would have happened if somebody made a different decision about something. But I was always hopeful to see universes where animal-people of some kind were around, if only to travel there in my imagination.

I do like that this theory is flexible with different experiences of therianthropy. Now, I'm not the sort of person that needs a solid explanation for therianthropy; as long as I know that I've experienced the things I've experienced, that's good enough for me. But theories that assert there's only one thing that could possibly cause therianthropy have this issue of, well, if I don't match the assumption it makes, then what does that make me? And I don't see this really having that problem so much.

An interesting thought occurs to me, though; whatever force that connects one to another universe, does it necessarily have to be connecting to the same time in another universe? If that connection isn't strictly bound to one time across the universes (or universes aren't exactly aligned in time, or what have you), then it seems like that could also relate to things like past-life experiences in the same way people generally mean when they bring those up -- it's just the same sort of connection to a time-shifted version of the same universe.

@Tdae

Yeah, there's truth to that. But sometimes it's quite nice to let science talk and be open to more "out there" type stuff. At least for me. Life would be quite boring otherwise...

I was about to make a joke about multiverse elections but that might get me into trouble.

I don't think there is any way to prove or disprove multiverse theory if different universes have different laws of physics. It would be like trying to use a ruler to measure time (and not using it as a sundial lol). I think dissociative phenomena + imagination explains therian, otherkin, and fictionals just as well. "Multiple versions of you" sounds like a description of OSDD-1a.

That's actually really interesting. I love thinking about the universe and the multiverse stuff comes up quite often when I do.

It wouldn't surprise me if there's infinite alternate realities we don't even know about. Because we are supposed to live in this one. I can't confirm nor deny that of course. So I simply accept the possibility.

I often wonder why I suddenly felt drawn to ferrets so much. After all I knew of the animal since forever but that draw came out of nowhere.

I like to kinda drift over into thinking: The brain sees more than the eyes do. But why is that the case? Why can something like a tulpa develop on accident? How come that some artists can make up all kinds of crazy worlds and creatures and it feels so alive?

I draw the best pictures if I just stop thinking...just have a concept and move with it while at it. Always feels like a glimpse into another world in the end.

So: I wouldn't be surprised personally if that's why therianthropy is so unique for every person.