[19:23] -irc.weresource.org- *** Looking up your hostname... [19:23] -irc.weresource.org- *** Found your hostname [19:23] * STDCLogger (PircBot@WS239FFA-B663F2CE.org) has joined #stdc [19:23] * Topic is 'Welcome to the Serious Therianthropy Discussion Chat. Chats are the second and fourth Sunday of every month at 7PM Eastern (GMT-5) and will be logged. During other times this channel may be used for serious therianthropy discussions. If you have any questions, please ask someone with ops (@).' [19:23] * Set by WolfFriend on Tue Feb 17 12:03:44 GMT-05:00 2009 [19:24] We will be making the logs available at the conclusion of this discussion [19:24] * Kumiho (cd8568d1@WS239FFA-2C33FAE9.mibbit.com) has joined #stdc [19:25] * TerrorWolf sets mode +m [19:25] Ok, again thank you all for coming [19:26] the following are the rules that we use for the discussion [19:26] 1) If you have any questions please ask myself or Terrorwolf [19:26] 2) Please do not spam the channel with off-topic stuff -- Take it to PM [19:26] 3) When we introduce the topic at the start, we will be voicing/unvoicing participants so they may give cursorary discussions on the topic [19:26] We generally give 5 minutes per person per topic [19:27] Each discussion will be 30 minutes in length [19:27] If you would like to speak, please PM myself, WolfFriend, or Terrorwolf and we will voice you so you may say your part [19:27] Following these, open sessions after each topic are 15 minutes [19:27] Do we have any questions? [19:27] * Pastedos sets mode -m [19:27] What is voicing/unvoicing? [19:27] (You can ask in channel at this time) [19:27] Yes I'm curious too [19:27] Voicing means that you will be able to speak in channel [19:28] Speak, as in actually speak? Or type? [19:28] while the channel is +m --- Pastedos sets mode +m #stdc only those voiced can speak [19:28] As in, type [19:28] yes [19:28] Okay. [19:28] can a person be put into the list to speak more than once on the same topic? [19:28] It's just so each person can have a turn [19:28] I also want to remind folks that tonight at 8:30 PM is Earth Hour [19:28] Stealth: Yes [19:29] Stealth: Generally we limit to a single time per topic, but they can talk more after during open discussion [19:29] So in actuality you get 5 minutes plus 15 minutes during open discussion [19:29] How can the topic be thirty minutes, and yet each person who wishes to speak can talk for five minutes? [19:29] It goes over? [19:29] We loosely keep to that... people may speak less as well [19:29] its 30m of moderated discussion [19:30] so it ends up being 45ish [19:30] Oh, I see. [19:30] Soemtimes a little more if needed [19:30] for the moderated bit [19:30] I think that's all, thank you. [19:30] I understand that some of you might not be used to the format, so if you have questions, please private message us [19:30] Terrorwolf: can Cannibal_Lovely stay for the first topic since it's about Therianthropy and Sex? [19:31] Hmm [19:31] is he a minor? [19:31] she is [19:31] Yeah [19:31] Since I've had sex, and sexual education, I see no reason why it would be a problem. [19:32] If sex can be discussed in movies rated 15 then why would Cannibl not be able to stay for a talk about it... as well as sex ed yes [19:32] I think regardless we want to keep this from being NC17 in here [19:32] so no whips and chains? [19:32] keep it PG-13 ideally gang [19:32] Fair enough [19:33] Stealth: erm, not further than mentioning they exist [19:33] :P [19:33] Exactly. [19:33] fine [19:33] So nothing in depth on sexual experiences [19:33] We don't need graphic detail [19:33] Fine [19:33] I think that was a very good point, NightStorm [19:33] Thank you [19:33] Blame minors, NightStorm :3 [19:33] Any other questions, guys? [19:34] I have a statement, actually. [19:34] Cannibal_Lovely: How old are you? [19:34] 15, 16 at the end of June. [19:34] Oh, nevermind my statement. Kind of off topic, not really needed here. Apologies. [19:35] Cannibal: Ok [19:35] Cannibal_Lovely: Go to #weresource for general discussion :3 [19:35] Anyone else? [19:35] pasta: Go ahead. [19:35] Ok [19:35] I am re-moderating the channel [19:35] Can we start this shit? [19:35] * Pastedos sets mode +m [19:35] The first question of the night is as follows: [19:36] Therianthropy and sexuality: Does your Therianthropy have any play on you in the bedroom, and how you approach sex in general? [19:36] If you would like to comment on this topic, please pm myself or Terrorwolf and we will add you to the queue list [19:36] You will have a chance to speak in the order in which we receive your request [19:37] In mibbit, I believe pms are initiated by clicking on that person's name [19:38] * TerrorWolf sets mode +v NightStorm [19:38] I suppose I'll start [19:39] Well I believe that being Wolfhuman, and being who I am, plays a roll in everyday life not just certiant aspects [19:41] This includes intercourse. Moreso since my husband/mate is dragonkin. A lot of my behaviors are involentary depending on whats going on. I might claw, growl or bite, he reacts in a simlar fashion [19:42] Sometimes it's kinky sometimes it's subscious. I believe I sex as another way to show affection as well as strengthing the bond I have with my mate I also want to bear children so I see it in more pratical way too [19:42] I'm done [19:42] Thank you NightStorm [19:42] * Pastedos sets mode -v NightStorm [19:42] Next is Graywolf [19:42] * Pastedos sets mode +v Graywolf [19:43] im a wolf therian and i find that sex can induce shifts [19:44] these shift vary depending on what the foreplay was like and in fact what foreplay was performed [19:45] playfighting seams to induces shifts more then and back rub [19:46] thats about all i have to say [19:47] Thank you Graywolf [19:47] * Kumiho (cd8568d1@WS239FFA-2C33FAE9.mibbit.com) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client) [19:47] * Pastedos sets mode -v Graywolf [19:47] Next is Dragonslorefury [19:47] * Pastedos sets mode +v Dragonslorefury [19:48] As a Dragonkin I guess I'll be presenting that connection to sex as opposed to therianthropy, but I see no reason why this can't also be covered. [19:49] I tend to find that being a dragonkin is frequent to every aspect in my life, including sex. I tend to find that slow foreplay that makes me more aware of my body is more enriching to me as a whole. That is to say that it makes more more aware of my phantom limbs as well, usually my wings. [19:50] Sensations in foreplay such as backrubs or gentle stroking will send a tingling sensation through my phantom limbs as well as my physical body. This enhances the whole experience because it heightens the sensation to go beyond simply my physical body. [19:51] As for shifting, I don't M-shift when I have sex or during foreplay but I will note minor changes to my mind-set (not my mentality but a lighter sensation) when my partner is experiencing an M-shift during sex, this will change my experience altogether- usually stunting my phantom body of shifting it altogether. [19:51] That's all I really have to say. [19:52] Thank you Dragonslorefury [19:52] * Pastedos sets mode -v Dragonslorefury [19:53] Next is Cannibal_Lovely (and not to worry, I trust she recognizes the fine line here) [19:53] * Pastedos sets mode +v Cannibal_Lovely [19:54] Right, so, first of all. I'm not a therian, and I'm only possible kin. However, I can speak on the magical aspect, and I believe that should be enough. [19:54] Now, some of you may know that sex can be used to enhance a spell or other such thing, as well as raise energy. [19:55] I don't know if this connection can really rightly be made...But if you're kin, and you would like to astral project, or even shift...it might be easier to do after intercourse. [19:56] However, I'm not a therian, so I wouldn't know. I CAN tell you, that with what experience I've had...I've become a lot more aware of my phantom wings, which is sometimes good, but also sometimes bad, for my wings are a terrible strain on my back. [19:56] I don't think I have much more to say. [19:57] Thank you Cannibal_Lovely [19:57] * Pastedos sets mode -v Cannibal_Lovely [19:57] Next is Stealth [19:57] * Pastedos sets mode +v Stealth [19:57] ah goodie [19:57] I will say this first, I am a lion [19:58] and I feel myself to be demonic [19:58] with that if you watch national geographic lions have sex up to 50 times a day [19:58] during mating season [19:58] lasting about 5 seconds a go [19:59] which sometimes I wish it happened that quick [19:59] now the rest I have already typed up here so I hope I dont offend anyone or ruin someones innocense [19:59] I can say this I like sex. I have it often, I know that lions themselves have lots of sex too but lions have sex many times for a few seconds at a time, so I wouldnt say thats inspiring. Or has any effect on my own sexual experiences. I do like to bite and I like to claw and be clawed and get plenty of that but I also like seeing costumes like a maid or nurse outfit and I also like bondage and all other. I am a dominate person in bed. [19:59] I cant say that the moon or anything else effects my desire for sex either. I enjoy it and sometimes I am just turned off and do not want any I dont notice this be seasonal effects or any other. [19:59] Beyond being a lion I also feel myself demonic which also I see as having no effect on my sexuality. I enjoy being violent which I enjoy being mean and seen as the worse part of this gray world in most categories of the day. [20:00] I also do not have a desire position based on my animal or other counterpart everything varies like everything should, I can be called an animal in bed but I dont feel like an animal when im in bed. [20:01] and if your done reading, thats it [20:01] Thank you Stealth [20:01] * Pastedos sets mode -v Stealth [20:01] I'll have one final call for this topic for people to talk, and then I will open this up for open discussion [20:02] * Pastedos sets mode -m [20:02] Ok, we will now have 15 minutes or so of open discussion [20:02] During this time, everyone may speak [20:02] you may ask questions of each other, but please be mindful of others [20:02] Sorry if I made people feel awkward and make them not want to speak. [20:02] And no personal attacks, thanks [20:03] You didn't Cannaibla [20:03] I don't think that was an issue Cannibal [20:03] You need not worry [20:03] I know I shouldn't, but I do it anyway. :/ One of my many flaws. [20:03] We want to keep it PG-13 in here anyway [20:03] just i queston i know sex is a great impowerer for magic but tbh i dout most men can be asked to do magic after sex? [20:04] Some can [20:04] It depends who [20:04] Tantra is potent [20:04] And depends how sex affects you. [20:04] im out like a light if shed let me be [20:04] Lol. [20:04] I've read about that, and I'm curious as well... Cannibal_Lovely: Does sex empowers you as well? [20:04] Well, if you pass out afterwards, what you might want to do is your magic FIRST. [20:04] Interesting tid bit on topic for gray wolf's last statement, in the renaissance it was believed that sex had properties of energy, and that sex empowered women with special energy while draining men of theris [20:05] And then kind of...consummate it, I suppose you could say. [20:05] well you do take stuff from us? [20:05] That was the theory back then [20:05] I think it's a general melding of energy. [20:05] thats about where the succucbis starts [20:06] women draining men of energy during sex [20:06] I wonder if that melding of energy is what enduces the shift or if the shift during sex needs to be sustained in anyway by that energy [20:07] If you tire easily, do your spellwork before and 'seal' it with tantra, if that's what you wish. If you're energetic afterwards, it's a good way to use all that positive energy. [20:07] I wouldn't think so but there may be some energy practitioners out there who are therians that could answer the question [20:07] Certain...-ahem- fluids, can also be used to make spells more potent. [20:07] yes but i havent looked into it [20:07] Cannibal_Lovely: Cunsume the energy? Heh... I've practice magick for number of years, and I've always erm... "consume" the energy instead of grounding myself :] [20:07] lol [20:07] Semen [20:07] lol [20:07] yes seamen can be used [20:08] like blood can [20:08] And menstrual blood is also rather potent. [20:08] yes that too [20:08] If you're a woman, and you're performing blood magic, that's the best kind to use. [20:08] ew [20:08] It's supposedly because it's so close to the goddess. [20:09] well no one said magic was clean [20:09] Exactly. [20:09] I've usually just cut myself, if I wanted to do some powerfull stuff :] [20:09] And there are actually specifically designed devices to capture menstrual blood for magical use. [20:09] On being turned on by costumes and dressing up, I also find this works well for me when it comes to sex, it seems to appeal to the shapeshifter in me that a costume can re-adapt my entire personality [20:09] Cannibal_Lovely: o___O [20:09] What? It's true, and it's useful information. [20:10] and the action of cuting yourself releses more energy then erm wait for it to fall out so to speak [20:10] Cannibal_Lovely: Altho, I'm not a woman, I wouldn't know... [20:10] Or, if you're doing blood magic, and you're cycling, you can just...wear a skirt and let nature do its work. >.> [20:10] Graywolf- Yes but which one is more natural [20:10] and yes it called a cup [20:11] erm? which one needs a biger investment [20:11] the mind will try and stop you cuting yourself [20:11] * wolfpaws ponders if he still 'has it' [20:11] Exactly. [20:11] Your mind says 'no', so you release adrenaline. [20:11] In about 3 minutes we will begin the next topic [20:11] As a wolf, for me, sexuality is intimately tied up with being a part of a family..first as a mate and second as a parent. However I have been asexual for many years due to difficulty in finding a mate whom I could live with. I used to shift during sex, usually beginning during foreplay, but had to suppress it, as it invariably alarmed my partner when I would nibble at him. [20:11] Menstral blood has been used in charms in slavic traditions I think [20:11] kk need loo [20:12] You get the blood, and, at the same time, you raise energy. [20:12] * Cannibal_Lovely seconds Graywolf's bathroom notion and will be right back. [20:12] Graywolf: If you're focused on a goal, that will probably prevent your mind from stopping you from cutting yourself. [20:13] -pauses- No, it won't. [20:13] How about phantom limbs during shifts? Anyone else feel similar sensations to me? [20:13] I've been a cutter for awhile. If your goal is to do it, your head still says no. [20:13] Cannibal_Lovely: It will say "no", but you'll be capable of doing it. [20:14] I used to be a cutter for years. Agreed, Cannibal_Lovely. [20:14] We're about to begin the next topic [20:14] If you could all finish your thoughts [20:14] Pasta: Go ahead [20:14] or continue in private messages [20:14] * Pastedos sets mode +m [20:14] Thank you [20:15] The second topic for tonight is as follows [20:15] Although shamanism involving taking on the appearance/spiritual capacities of animals has been around for millenia, therianthropy is somewhat different. Is it just a resurfacing of shamanism thanks to the anonymity of the Internet (and, hence, the freedom to discuss such strange topics like on AHWW), or is it something new? [20:15] TerrorWolf might be better able to define that acronym [20:15] If you are interested in commenting on this [20:16] please pm me [20:16] First up is wolfpaws [20:16] * Pastedos sets mode +v wolfpaws [20:16] Woof :3 [20:16] alt.horror.werewovles [20:16] Then NightStorm, Dragonslorefury [20:17] also Cannibal_Lovely, Graywolf [20:17] wolfpaws: Whenever you're ready [20:18] I'd like to point out, that I've "studied" shamanism for few years before actually floating into the waters of "therianthropy", and usually people try to address like "I have a wolf totem"... [20:18] Pasta: I'm writing :P [20:21] ...rather than "I have a part that is wolf-ish", altho, shamanism also recognises wolf-person as well... And not just "having a totem animal", but most communities, that you'll encounter these days, would still prefer "totem animals" rather than "wolf person". [20:24] "Therianthropy" is just a ther... 13 letters, nothing more, nothig less, but AHWW made it at least easier for people like that easier to group, discover and gather additional information... Other than that, it's nothing "new". It's as old as the human kind, at least... [20:24] *term [20:25] And if I have to identify; I won't identify myself as a "therian". I'm a wolf; Short and simple as that. [20:25] and that's all from me. Thanks. The mic goes now to NightStorm. [20:25] Thank you wolfpaws [20:26] * Pastedos sets mode -v wolfpaws [20:26] Next is NightStorm [20:26] * Pastedos sets mode +v NightStorm [20:26] I might be a bit slow BTW [20:27] This is interesting topic because in some aspect Therianthropy is a lot like Shamanism and it's a reason why many therians are shamans [20:28] But thing with therianthropy is, it's less putting on a mask for work and more taking it off [20:28] Shamanism you take forms for work in the spirit/dreamworld [20:29] in Therianthropy it's more or less reveling who you are without the mask of humanity [20:29] that is the more romantic explination I have as a shaman myself [20:29] I'm done [20:30] Thanks [20:30] * Pastedos sets mode -v NightStorm [20:30] Next up is... [20:30] Dragonslorefury [20:30] * Pastedos sets mode +v Dragonslorefury [20:31] Well firstly I'd like to say that, although some of my practice can be seen as being similar to shamanism, I am a totemist. [20:33] One of biggest divides between the practice of totemism and shamanism (as discussed in "DIY Totemism" a book by Lupa) being that a totemist works primarily with the totems and primarily on self improving magic or personal magic. A shaman on the other hand is required to travel to the other side, to have a fair amount of guides with them and to participate in such actions as finding a sould for healing or travelling in the wilds of the o [20:35] Dragon, you got cut off a bit [20:35] after: "in such actions as finding a sould for healing or travelling in the wilds of the o" [20:36] f the other side for other such actions [20:36] ..... [20:36] This also seems to be a divide between therianthropy and shamanism, for a therian doesn't need to travel to the other side, compile spirit guides and totems and/or participate in healing and other spiritual rituals to be a therian. A therian is a state of "being" tha doesn't necessarily need the same extent of active "doing" that a shaman would need to participate in to achive the same level of legitimacy. In genral a therian just is. [20:37] I could go into totemism as well but I think I should leave it here and be fair and true to the topic. [20:37] Next person ^_^ [20:37] Thanks [20:37] * Pastedos sets mode -v Dragonslorefury [20:38] Next up is... [20:38] Cannibal_Lovely [20:38] * Pastedos sets mode +v Cannibal_Lovely [20:38] I don't think therianthropy is a new idea. [20:39] It's probably merely a very old idea that has been given a new name. Or perhaps an old idea that just came into more...public? use. [20:39] However, it and shamanism, while similar, I believe are different. [20:39] Shamans use an animal of power that they associate with. [20:39] Therians...Well, I don't know too much about it, but it seems to me that they more ARE their animal of power. [20:40] Shamans -to use a native american way of doing it- will dress in the skins or use the teeth of their animal of power to call the creature's spirit to aid them. [20:40] I don't believe it resides within them at ALL TIMES, though. [20:41] I don't think I helped much. Oh well. Next person? [20:41] Ok, thank you [20:41] * Pastedos sets mode -v Cannibal_Lovely [20:41] And next is Graywolf [20:41] * Pastedos sets mode +v Graywolf [20:42] dam thats me! [20:42] it is! [20:43] erm i think that there are no new ideas just old one with a new face the reason for therianthropy becoming so popuar is the net [20:43] how many have met a therian by walking down the street? [20:45] so it very posable that therianthropy has been around as long if not longer then shamanism i mean shamen had to get ideas from somewhere whats to say they werent all just cameo shifting therians [20:47] thats all i have to say shamen please dont kill me [20:47] Thank you Graywolf [20:47] * Pastedos sets mode -v Graywolf [20:47] And now we will open this up to discussion [20:47] * Pastedos sets mode -m [20:47] I do not believe therianthropy and shamanism are the same, as shamanism involves a temporary interaction with the animal's spirit, while therianthropy is more of a permanent situation. Therianthropy also seems to have existed for millenia, judging from folklore from all over the world. What is new is the internet's ability to allow us to communicate and come together, rather than lead isolated existences, which makes us more visible [20:49] The final topic btw will begin in about 10 minutes [20:51] Unless we're done with this topic? [20:51] I think what we have now is much more what I would call a "new age" therianthropy. Mainly because the term therianthropy had another definition before we adapted it and because our way of communicating, debating and viewing therianthropy will have changed considerably due to the internet and other such culutral changes. [20:51] Eep sorry >_< [20:51] err, go on [20:51] sorry, I just didn't see anyone discussing [20:51] please, continue [20:51] we can talk now? [20:52] Yes [20:52] yup [20:52] oh [20:52] anyone can talk right now [20:52] for the next... 8 minutes [20:52] Like I said, I think it's always been there. [20:52] Sorry there is Lulz at weresource [20:52] Now it just has a new name. [20:52] i dont think therianthropy is a nes [20:52] wnew thing [20:52] No, not new thing. [20:52] New name. [20:53] Yes agreed, but I think it would probably hve been approached in a totally different way as well [20:53] yes like i said no new idea just old ones with a face [20:53] No new Idea but definetly new approaches etc. [20:53] 300 years ago i the uk burned at stake [20:53] in the uk [20:54] Maybe [20:54] I think we're pretty much in agreement on the therianthropy thing...But not on shamanism vs therianthropy. [20:54] but back before that? [20:55] Back before that it was probably still around and still being expressed and approached in different ways, there's probably no continuity in the movement itself, just in the prigins of the movement. [20:55] origins sorry typo [20:55] yes [20:55] yeah i like that [20:56] I wonder how it will be approached in future years, considering the influence of the net and the various articles, comics, arts and even a book that it has produced [20:57] * BITTER8288 (BITTER8288@WS239FFA-24D4D800.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #stdc [20:57] so i need to find some people who can help me [20:57] Not here. [20:57] I'm afraid this is not that type of room Bitter [20:57] hopefully more generally accepted, even if only as a belief system [20:57] * TerrorWolf sets mode +l 13 [20:57] what type of room is this [20:57] * BITTER8288 was kicked from #stdc by TerrorWolf [20:58] Sorry about that, folks [20:58] knew it was comming [20:58] Yep. [20:58] Likewise... [20:58] I told him not to, even. :/ [20:58] who is that? [20:58] YES [20:58] I KNEW IT [20:58] we will have to edit that from teh log.............. [20:58] I think it will benefit from having more solid roots? At least a discussion basis will have been built up...getting back on topic [20:59] We have another minite for this topic for open discussion, and then we'll move on to the final topic for the evening [20:59] ok [20:59] Alright [21:00] The final topic now [21:00] * Pastedos sets mode +m [21:00] As before the channel is now moderated [21:00] Why are some theriotypes more common than others? [21:00] (You can broaden this to otherkin-types as well for our non-therian friends) [21:01] First is NightStorm [21:01] * Pastedos sets mode +v NightStorm [21:01] Queue: Graywolf, Dragonslurefury, Cannibal_Lovely [21:02] Ok ok I need to settle down [21:02] Anyway [21:02] * NightStorm puts on serious face [21:02] there are a lot of reason why wolves seem to be largly popular therioside [21:03] I might be because wolves play a huge role in the collective subconscious or in western culture [21:03] It's a common archtype and a lot young awakened therians seem to flock to that [21:03] I did [21:03] However introspection clears up confusion and many find another theriside or another kintype [21:04] Funny thing with me is that introspection just narrowed me down to subspecies :P [21:04] Vampires also seem to be a common kintype as well as Demon/Angel and dragon [21:05] They are also archtypes and play a part of the collective subconsciousness [21:05] they also have some root in western culture [21:05] so it's easy to see why people graviate to them too [21:05] Not like that is a bad thing [21:06] * Graywolf (Guest64@WS239FFA-2E8587DE.cable.ubr14.newt.blueyonder.co.uk) Quit (Quit: Graywolf) [21:06] * Guest20 (Guest20@WS239FFA-2E8587DE.cable.ubr14.newt.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #stdc [21:06] I gravitated to wolf and am a wolf so I wasn't "jumping on the bandwagon" as a lot of therians interprate the popluation [21:06] of therians [21:06] Thats my POV [21:06] done [21:07] Thanks NightStorm [21:07] * Guest20 is now known as Graywolf [21:07] next is Graywolf [21:07] * Pastedos sets mode -v NightStorm [21:07] * Pastedos sets mode +v Graywolf [21:08] i think the number of a perticual theriantype is down to: [21:09] * TerrorWolf sets mode -l [21:09] 1 the number of that theriantype orgial specis [21:09] 2 that specis interaction with man and how that interaction effects both man and beast [21:10] and pear pressure [21:11] you dont want to be the onlu trollkin out there do you? so insted u pick your favite animal most people like dogs? dogs arent as cool as wolvies or the big cat though [21:12] so you pick a cool one just not troll even if you are [21:12] thats really about it thanks for listening [21:13] Thank you [21:13] * Pastedos sets mode -v Graywolf [21:13] Next is [21:13] Dragonslurefury [21:13] * Pastedos sets mode +v Dragonslorefury [21:13] Queue: Cannibal_Lovely, geek, SerpentineZebra [21:15] Well firstly I'm not going to tip toe around the point that some people pick certain common types of kin and therio types because they are popular within modern media or mainstream culture. These types pf people usually either wrangle themselves in or end up pursuing all the media misconceptions that come with their chosen "bad-ass" type and are affectionatly labelled fluff bunnies. [21:16] However I'm going to call them null and void for the most part as they are lacking obvious legiimacy. [21:18] I think that alot of what type of otherkin ro therian you are has alot to do with thecreatures relationship with human-kind. Birds of a feather flock together is the saying, and i'm sure it's much more benificial to be drawn to a body and species that knows your species and has had an intimate relationship with it over the years. [21:19] Beyond that certain species may simply not be compatable with integrating with the human body, or less capable at least, this would explain why you find less animals in the sub-culture uncommon ro undiscovered by humans as well as why there are less extinct therians in the community (especially further back in evolution). [21:21] But that's of course considering a spiritual method of therianthropy. If we're going for a more mental or archtypal therianthropy then I guess we are attracted to certain aspects or behaviours of the animals- mammal is more easily relatable to mammal etc. When it comes to otherkin the creatures with more human aspects (eg. dragons or angels) are more relatable than those who are distanced from humanoid form or human thinking (eg. unicor [21:21] That's all I can think of for now, as well as the above metioned by our other speakers. [21:21] Dragon, that cut off a bit [21:21] (eg. unicor [21:21] damn whered it cut off [21:21] ^ just there [21:21] orns and pheonixes). [21:21] Thank you [21:22] * Pastedos sets mode -v Dragonslorefury [21:22] Next up is Cannibal_Lovely [21:22] * Pastedos sets mode +v Cannibal_Lovely [21:22] Okay, let's see. [21:23] I think, in the case of therians, the general consensus is wolves are more common. [21:23] I can think of two reasons. [21:23] Mainly. [21:23] 1. Wolves have become almost extinct, kept alive mostly on reservations and parks. So there are plenty of wolf souls to go around. [21:23] Well, actually, just the one is therian specific. [21:24] My second point covers kin in genral. [21:24] 2. I think, largely, stronger creatures and stronger souls have a better tendency to incarnate than others. [21:24] Third point... [21:25] The fact that they're common already makes it MORE common; if only because those who are just beginning are going to look towards more common forms. [21:25] I think that's it, thank you. [21:25] Thank you for you input [21:25] * Pastedos sets mode -v Cannibal_Lovely [21:25] And next we have geek [21:25] * Pastedos sets mode +v geek [21:26] I tend to disagree that wolves are as dominant in numbers as people think [21:26] A wolf is USUALLY a wolf. There's however a half dozen common types of cat folk and such [21:27] also, when you search for werewolves, therianthropy might be something you come across- the community did start with AH WEREWOLVES after all [21:28] so, i don't think wolves are as much common as obvious ;p [21:29] and on another note "When it comes to otherkin the creatures with more human aspects (eg. dragons or angels) are more relatable" - most angelics believe they are energy based, and well even a 'meat based' angel like me tends to have issues relating human and angelic mindsets [21:29] you are what you are ;p [21:29] i'm done [21:30] * Canide (Ben@wsserv.weresource.org) has joined #stdc [21:30] * ChanServ sets mode +o Canide [21:30] thanks [21:30] * Pastedos sets mode -v geek [21:30] and next is SerpentineZebra [21:30] * Pastedos sets mode +v SerpentineZebra [21:32] The thing I wonder about is, why there are a lack of the other species, or a supposed lack. If you went on the "interaction and similarity" theory, you have to wonder why the community is not then overwhelmed with cow, horse, and sheep therians, especially since in a way we as humans still think like prey rather than predators. [21:34] In this instance, then, it might not be so distinct, and a prey therian may never know abotu their therianthropy because predator behavior is less "human". So we look to predators. THen you say, well, I don't feel like an alligator, or bird of prey, or praying mantis... those aren't mammals, so that further eliminates similarities. [21:36] So we look to things that are familiar to us. It would be much easier to identify with an animal that behaves in ways that we do,, but adopted into a predatory mindset. Seeing as the domestic dogs and cats are the ones modern humans get the most interaction with, it's easier to observe their behavior and draw conclusions about one's own, except to realize there is a wilder aspect to it. [21:38] Thus, that is where you would be seeing more canine and feline therians show up. Identification is easier. And of course, things like wolves, tigers, and leopards are so iconic that it's easy to draw into those as defaults before delving deeper. Problem is I sometimes wonder if a few of them out there do not bother looking further and are happy to accept "wolf" or "tiger" because either their curiosity is satiated, or they are afraid [21:39] hmm... I think that's about all until open discussion. Thank you. [21:39] Thanks! [21:39] * SerpentineZebra gets down from soap box [21:39] And actually, open discussion starts now [21:39] * Pastedos sets mode -m [21:39] * Pastedos sets mode -v SerpentineZebra [21:39] This is also the final topic [21:40] So you can talk about this topic or any of the previous ones [21:40] at this time [21:40] oh ok... lol [21:40] Probably our most though provoking topic as well, i've really enjoyed some of the ideas [21:40] I wanted to bring something up about one of the previous topics ;p [21:40] the one about how therianthropy and shamanism and internets and stuff ;p [21:40] Hello, all. I'm also WolfFriend.. just on my laptop. Seems I only caught the very tail end of this one. :p [21:41] I'd like to use this chance to thank you all for coming while you're still here [21:41] Canide: tail, eh? [21:41] :P [21:41] :P [21:41] It's been good [21:41] oh no problem, even if I didn't say anything until the tail end [21:41] I'm not sure the scheduling for future Saturday discussions... we'll post that on our website [21:42] good night friends both old and new [21:42] Good night [21:42] Night hunny [21:42]