(2018-01-05 16:02)HoneyNut Wrote: As a potential insect therian myself, I should talk a bit about it I think. Recently, I have been having doubts about my therianthropy, amongst many reasons because of how insects are hardly sentient beings. While it is still certainly possible to identify with plants and insect, as far as therianthropy goes, it is hard to see how these types of therian can actually exist from a certain viewpoint.
From the perspective of the argument I was making. Bees do have a nervous system and thereby a perceptive ability. Furthermore compared to plants, their experiences are extremely compatible with the senses a human would have. Bees perceive images, they have a sense of smell. It is possible to observe bee behaviour and relatively accurately infer their internal states (mental processes).
It is far more likely that as a human therian, you could experience something that you could recognize as having been experienced by a bee, than the same argument for plants, fungi or bacteria.
I am not a bee therian, but I imagine that for instance a homing instinct could be experienced in a way that you could verify your inner experience with the rules and exceptions in bee behaviour.
Take for instance the wolf comparison. Popular documentary sources will sell you a baby&bathwater theory about how wolves behave in packs, which I reject, because I know what it's like to be a wolf and I can see that a wolf in the same circumstances does behave as I would. They break the rules in special circumstances, such as when they are tamed by a human, because that is how wolf feelings work. I know them inside out since before I learned anything about them, that is how I know my theriotype is wolf. You can do the same thing for bees.
I doubt you could possibly do the same thing for oaks, or if you could, you would have no arguments to support the claim that your theriotype is exactly an oak and not a birch, or a tulip or someother. I'd apply the same reasoning to unicorns, which offer no experience difference between themselves and plain horses.
(2018-01-05 18:52)WolfVanZandt Wrote: Actually, I think that it is exactly therianthropy. Or, I repeat, do you think that therianthropy is magic?
A wolf therian doesn't "think like a wolf". They think like they think a wolf thinks. There's been a lot of discussions about this on were forums and it's pretty clear that this is what's happening. A plant therian, in the same way, thinks like they think a plant thinks. And that's not stupidity on their part. It's simply using a theory of mind to form a model to help them understand plants.
You are oversimplifying and I don't care to engage in your straw-man argument. Therianthropy is a complex experience and it is certainly not that "you think you're a wolf".
We've had ages of questioning on this very forum, to support that bit at least.