"Dog" as a gender

(2023-02-19 5:54)zStormz Wrote:  Because they/them is still from the English language and I don’t find it covering what I’m experiencing. Check the discord for further explanation.

Yes, I've seen it before posting. The post isn't directed at you specifically, just in general.

(2023-02-18 21:20)WolfThing Wrote:  But in that case would 'he' not still work? If someone is a male wolf, would 'he' not still work?When we talk about male sea horses, female wolves, male hyenas, female rats...we still call them he/she when discussing those animals.

For me personally, being a "male wolf", "he" is just fine. Although as @Werewulfra pointed out and later explained, the reality of what this gender role actually represents is somewhat distant from the human masculine role (considering for example boldness and courage are human male virtues, but the opposite is true for wolves).

All that said, I should mention that I've had the personal experience of being segregated into the "it" category in school sports events during my younger years, due to my distinct physical attributes. I can't say it was a positive experience. From that I'd much rather be segregated into the male category than the neutral. Even if I am more wolf than man, so to speak.

(2023-02-18 21:20)WolfThing Wrote:  If someone says gender = [asexual lizard species here, forgot name]...would 'they' not still work? As that's how we would refer to them anyway when discussing those animals.

I should mention that not all languages do genders in the way English does. In my native language (and I'm told it's similar in Japanese) "they" is a respectful form for both genders, that you would use to address, for example a stranger in a professional relationship, or an elder or whoever you wish to show respect to.

From that perspective it seems strange to me that anyone at all would be offended at being addressed as "they". Awkward and somewhat distant maybe, but not offended.

LP,
Dusty

The only two words I am offended by are "he" and "it", everything else is fine including they.

So taking Wulfra's post into consideration you could then claim "Dog" as a gender since that technically is the term for a male wolf apparently (or so my friend with the animal sciences degree would lead me to believe) I will leave the female version of the term off for obviously deduced reasons. Though I guess that would make me "Todd" which now kind of begs the question how such a term would then be used in a sentence as such.

On the They/Them/It topic though: I have many non-binary friends and have had to explain to them when I stumble over that whole set of pornouns that it is very awkward and out of habbit for me. For back ground - I am born and raised in the south eastern US and traditionally our conversations are anything but straight forward. To refer to a person in the third person when they are present is usually an insult or indication of displeasure and disdane. It is a sort of linguistic way of robbing a person of agency, name, and place in the conversation.

(2023-02-17 2:45)zStormz Wrote:  

(2020-09-29 15:52)SpookedGlisten Wrote:  

(2020-08-18 11:47)gargoyle Wrote:  While I agree that "dog" (or any kintype) isn't a gender, I heard some people explain it as "my kintype influences my gender", and that's why they use terms like "doggender" (I don't know if that term actually exists). I personally can't relate to that, and my kintypes don't really affect my gender, but I can see how those terms could be helpful for some people.

I'm not sure, but I've seen the "deergender"/"fawngender" flag. And apparently someone made an Otherkin pride flag...?



Okay, look and listen for a second. I am a wolf therian. I am also a transgender demiboy. DO those two connect in any way? NO. Was I a male wolf? I don't know, but I probably was. But my theriotype has no bearing on my gender whatsoever, much less identify my gender as that. If I go to a Pride Parade, I'm going to wear my collar, and possibly wear my tail, but I'm not going to wave an otherkin "pride flag" because IT IS NOT MY OR ANY ACTUAL GENDER and is NOT RELATED TO ME BEING PAN OR TRANS.

I don't know why this shait exists, honestly. It confuses everyone and makes us seem like special snowflakes because a few people identify as "demiqueer demisexual aromantic pansexual genderfluid gendervoid faekin/plantkin and I use flick/flicks/flickself pronouns" (and yes I have seen that before)

Just stop. Please. Before I ship myself a one-way ticket to Saturn.

As someone who uses rat/rats
First of all, gender as a whole was made up by humans, it’s a concept, not a fact. Now that that’s out of the way,
It creates the same gender euphoria as other pronouns, if not more, as my species is part of my gender identity, I am a rat. I am gender-fluid due to not feeling particularly comfortable with the human made concept of gender itself, so my usage of it fluctuates as it suits me to be comfortable. but something I always am, is a rat. And this gives people a concrete pronoun set to always use that keeps me comfortable (when I don’t update my status w the ones I’m using)
It’s not bc I want to feel “special” it’s because it makes me comfortable.
So no, I will not stop being my true self because others can not comprehend it, and I will not be ashamed of my identity.

Shit i forgot i even wrote that... I'm really sorry for saying those things, I support you 100%

I actually feel the same way about my gender now- Im wolf and dragon therian and it actually influences my personality and gender expression a lot, and im questioning rock neopronouns.

Never be ashamed for being yourself, and again I apologize for my ignorant words. <3

(2023-03-15 5:01)SpookedGlisten Wrote:  

(2023-02-17 2:45)zStormz Wrote:  

(2020-09-29 15:52)SpookedGlisten Wrote:  

(2020-08-18 11:47)gargoyle Wrote:  While I agree that "dog" (or any kintype) isn't a gender, I heard some people explain it as "my kintype influences my gender", and that's why they use terms like "doggender" (I don't know if that term actually exists). I personally can't relate to that, and my kintypes don't really affect my gender, but I can see how those terms could be helpful for some people.

I'm not sure, but I've seen the "deergender"/"fawngender" flag. And apparently someone made an Otherkin pride flag...?



Okay, look and listen for a second. I am a wolf therian. I am also a transgender demiboy. DO those two connect in any way? NO. Was I a male wolf? I don't know, but I probably was. But my theriotype has no bearing on my gender whatsoever, much less identify my gender as that. If I go to a Pride Parade, I'm going to wear my collar, and possibly wear my tail, but I'm not going to wave an otherkin "pride flag" because IT IS NOT MY OR ANY ACTUAL GENDER and is NOT RELATED TO ME BEING PAN OR TRANS.

I don't know why this shait exists, honestly. It confuses everyone and makes us seem like special snowflakes because a few people identify as "demiqueer demisexual aromantic pansexual genderfluid gendervoid faekin/plantkin and I use flick/flicks/flickself pronouns" (and yes I have seen that before)

Just stop. Please. Before I ship myself a one-way ticket to Saturn.

As someone who uses rat/rats
First of all, gender as a whole was made up by humans, it’s a concept, not a fact. Now that that’s out of the way,
It creates the same gender euphoria as other pronouns, if not more, as my species is part of my gender identity, I am a rat. I am gender-fluid due to not feeling particularly comfortable with the human made concept of gender itself, so my usage of it fluctuates as it suits me to be comfortable. but something I always am, is a rat. And this gives people a concrete pronoun set to always use that keeps me comfortable (when I don’t update my status w the ones I’m using)
It’s not bc I want to feel “special” it’s because it makes me comfortable.
So no, I will not stop being my true self because others can not comprehend it, and I will not be ashamed of my identity.

Shit i forgot i even wrote that... I'm really sorry for saying those things, I support you 100%

I actually feel the same way about my gender now- Im wolf and dragon therian and it actually influences my personality and gender expression a lot, and im questioning rock neopronouns.

Never be ashamed for being yourself, and again I apologize for my ignorant words. <3

All good, learning and improving on past poor behaviors is what makes us better beings. Glad you are able to accept.

To me, your theriotype is your species - dragon, tiger, wolf, rabbit, etc - and your gender, while potentially influenced by that, is best treated as separate in most instances to avoid misunderstandings.

In my case, my theriotype has "gender" roles (although gender is arguably a human concept and the more accurate phrasing may be sex roles), due to physiology as WT mentioned. Therefore my identity is a female wolf. Among species that don't experience gender roles and/or sex differences, it would make sense to me for someone of that species to call themselves non-binary or agender. I guess what I'm saying is that I think there are enough species/gender terms that can be combined to express a range of experiences, without the need to overlap them as much as doggender would.

Another label I've seen coming into popularity on Reddit is trans-species. I consider myself to be a wolf, so I don't choose to label myself as such, but I can understand how the analogy could be useful with those outside the community.